Errwood hall auction 1930

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Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by red_baron » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:19 pm

Firstly I would like to say thank you for allowing me to join!

Now that the formalities are out of the way, I am hoping that someone will be able to help me.
I have been fascinated by Errwood Hall and its estate for over 20 years. I walk in the upper Goyt valley a lot, and visit as many sites associated with the hall as I can.
Most recently I have been looking into the auction in 1930 and I was wondering whether anyone can give me an idea of how I might get hold of a copy of the auction catalogue.
If anyone has such a thing I would happily meet the cost of copying it, as I am interested in the information it contains, so I do not need to have an original if that is not possible.
I would also be interested to see any previously unpublished photographs anyone might have of the hall, either prior to 1934 or during demolition, as I am trying to piece together the interior layout. I have tried without success to locate any plans of the hall, which I must assume are gone without trace, or buried in some private collection or archive somewhere.

I Would like to stress that my interest is solely personal and not for any gain. I would not intend to publish and information I was provided with, but it might help me to progress in my aim to know as much as possible about the old place!

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by Gnatalee » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:41 pm

If you are not able to obtain a copy of the actual catalogue, perhaps you could try local newspapers. Libraries often have access to newspaper archives online (such as The Times Online, or The British Newspaper Archive). I am sure such an auction would have been advertised far and wide and not just locally.

Perhaps Derbyshire local records office/archives will have a copy (wouldn't seem an unreasonable assumption). Try contacting the Records Office or checking their online catalogue because if they have one they may let you get a copy of it.

Good luck !

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by red_baron » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:58 pm

Thanks for the advice Gnatalee.
I have emailed Cheshire Archives and found that they hold very little, though they do hold a scrap book which was compiled by the Grimshawes themselves, which I hope to go to see at some point as it could prove very interesting.
I have also sent an email to Derbyshire archives and am awaiting their reply.

I still hold out hope that someone somewhere has a copy of the auction catalogue, as I wish to understand more about the contents of the hall. A catalogue appears to have been sold on Ebay in 2014 (annoying as if I had known at the time I would have bid on it) so I know that at least one copy is out there somewhere!

A long while ago, I stumbled across what I believe must have been the place that fire ash and other household waste from the hall was dumped. I know it was above Shooter's clough brook, close to the house, but after all these years, can I remember exactly where? Sadly not! We had had one of our summers, and the rain had washed things down the bank, including some remnants of high quality china and what I believe to have been a port bottle on the basis that it was missing its neck - I believe the convention at one time was to remove the bottle neck rather than the cork to avoid tainting the wine. There were also a few pieces of large stoneware kitchen jars, so I doubt any of this was later than the closure of the hall. I would be interested to know if anyone else has stumbled across this place, as I would love to revisit it again.

Incidentally, the removal of much of the undergrowth close to the hall has revealed an enormous amount of demolition waste, including glass which has clearly been melted by fire, I presume that during demolition window frames which were not for reuse were burnt on site - no one can blame the workmen for keeping themselves warm in what can be a very bleak spot!

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by R. Stephenson-Smythe » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:43 pm

Last week I was having a haircut when a chap walked in and I recognised him although I couldn’t put a name to him. He also recognised me but could not remember my name. We exchanged names and realised we lived a few doors apart in Horwich End many years ago.
Now about 8 years ago a very dear old friend and fellow historian died. But he told me many times that the man in the barber’s shop was one of only a handful of people that had been in the Grimshawe’s crypt at Errwood.
Well there’s no point beating about the bush so I asked him if he had been in the crypt. He told me he had with one other person. It was in the 1950’s and, apart from a few bits of odds and ends and some rubbish, the place was empty. The coffins had been removed. He also told me loads of stuff about just what used to be up there when he was a kid. For instance the Grimshawe’s carriage was left just below the Hall for years. He must be in his 90’s now I think but he did invite me around to his house for a chat and a cup of tea next week.
All being well I shall report back to members shortly after I have been to see him.

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by red_baron » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:27 pm

That sounds absolutely fascinating, R S S!
How lucky you are to know someone who has memories of that time!
I shall look forward to your post with great eagerness!

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by R. Stephenson-Smythe » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:42 pm

One thing I do know for certain is that Joseph Oyazabel, faithful servant to the Grimshawes, had day to day tasks.
One was that he had to enter the crypt on a daily basis and polish the glass sides on the lead coffins. I have no idea if anyone ever used to go in and view the bodies.
I believe they have now been re-buried in a Buxton Cemetery.

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Re: Errwood hall auction 1930

Post by red_baron » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:46 pm

I thought the glass sided/topped coffins was supposed to be a myth?
Certainly in an interview Joseph Oyarzabal denied that it was the case but perhaps that was to deter ghouls or souvenir hunters?

http://www.negh.co.uk/whaleybridgehistory/errmyths.html

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